Don't piss in the little hole mate piss in the big one, Today March 2018 I will be setting a pan and I will be using cement (and yes I always do the turn over without hassle). August 2017 Old builder here. July 2016 Then the challenge would be to carefully turn the pan over and land it on top of the mortar bed without loosing the mortar inside the pan, once this was achieved you would then level the pan off and just carefully dress the excess mortar away and clean the floor etc with a damp sponge. It’s true! Yes, the bathroom is a place to get clean, but it can easily be a place to trap some pretty foul smells. January 2018 It will work fine with a toilet sitting on it because it still can expand in all directions along it's length. Leave the old toilet flange right in place and glue on the new one at the right elevation for the floor, if it's plastic. May 2016 Put the toilet into position and secure the pan to the floor brackets with the provided fixings. However, if you are planning on fitting your hardwood floor to joists, then you will need to secret nail them into place. You also want to make sure the toilet sits level and does not rock on the floor, as this can compromise the seal. Laminate flooring is not recommended to be glued down. This stuff is very well connected to the particleboard, we have chiseled at it and removed everything we can. Hi Wolfy - interested in your method - would you mind repeating the comment from "Spacers between ...", I could not quite make sense of it. October 2019 July 2014 First, you want your toilet to look like it belongs there. We recommend our users to update the browser. Great for fixing down a toilet to a ceramic tiled, porcelain tiled or plastic floor without the use of screws. The Damage From a Toilet Leaking at Base. Now, you need to connect the toilet. December 2015 Spacers between the Floor on the Toilet wife the toilet first the the floor ! We old guys still like to do a good job :-). February 2015 The adhesive is spread on an area of the subfloor where the boards are going to be adhered to using a specialized trowel. If you have a concrete subfloor, then you should glue your hardwood down, if you have a wooden subfloor then you can choose either method of installation. We enjoy 'doing ourselves' but are somewhat intimidated by the next project - converting a pair of back to back (t-mount in the wall between the two bathrooms) wall hung toilets (literally date-stamep 1960) to floor mounted toilets in a slab foundation house (also built 1960). Gluing Planks The gluing of laminate flooring takes place with each individual plank that you add to the flooring surface. Using clear sanitary grade silicone to secure a new toilet pan to the bathroom floor. If you are reinstalling a toilet after doing a serious floor repair, or if you are installing a new toilet, I would recommend installing a new supply tube. If a proper seal is not achieved it will result in leaking. February 2016 Even on PVC piping. If you are fitting the toilet to a concrete floor, you will need to use a masonry drill bit and wall plugs. March 2015 There are two key reasons for caulking the toilet to the floor. Polyurethane Glue as an Alternative Polyurethane glue is an additional choice that will create a strong bond for the broken toilet base. If this is the case, check that the installer didn’t shim the toilet to raise it up. The cleaner you can get the area, the better of a seal you’ll be able to apply. June 2016 Leave for a couple of hours, Job done ! Silly old bloke he thinks .I set a pan yesterday. Young plumbers these days haven't ever set a pan on sand cement. Why don't ya have a little sympathy on the guy that comes along behind you and has to pull the toilet! I'm laying vinyl planks down over tiles and before I do this a layer of leveling compound will be used on the tiles. Reasons For Caulking the Toilet Base. I am redoing the floor on a small bathroom; it's 20 sq. Take a PVC male fitting and attach it to the PVC pipe with the use of PVC glue. cheers. October 2015 June 2014. September 2015 As long as the floor is not rotten, you can use this technique. What You Should Glue The final step would be to mix up a stiff mix of mortar and place a large amount of this inside the under neath of the toilet pan and also a mound on the floor. Vinyl tiles are low-cost, durable and simple to install. DIYers often set the toilet and then apply a tiny bead of caulk along the outside edge. Lift off the toilet and set it aside. I come along and curse the that glued down the toilet with Silicone RTV. Any advice would be really appreciated. DIYers often set the toilet and then apply a tiny bead of caulk along the outside edge. If you are looking for a plumbing firm who can do everything from design, construct, project management and scheduled on site maintenance contact the Mayfair Plumbing Group.http://www.mayfairplumbing.com.au, December 2019 July 2019 December 2016 Once you have decided to use the glue down floor method, make sure that you leave a large enough expansion gap, depending on the hardwood product you chose, from the wall to allow the wood to contract and expand. Then make an outline of the toilet on the floor with masking tape. In any case, you can steady the toilet by shimming under its base. Cheers Jamie. Next, move your caulk gun to the inset depth you just measured and apply caulk directly to the floor, maintaining the inset depth as you follow the tape. August 2016 Any more Advice, ask and it shall be given to you ! My plumber shakes his head. And if all else fails, pour a lead joint. Stand on the toilet to compress the wax ring and ensure good contact with the caulk. Wolfy. Start by marking the outline of the toilet flange on the floor with a pencil, then remove the toilet. I set all pans on my jobs. This can happen if you have your bathroom floor redone, and the level or height of the floor changed. August 2015 Here’s a list. This problem can develop over time, such as when caulk hardens or when a surrounding floor settles a little. When you are replacing a toilet or resetting an existing toilet after a repair, there are a few key things to check to ensure a good seal and prevent leaks. I agree .Silicone is crap. How to Glue Wood Studs to a Cement Floor. August 2018 If adding washers or shims fixed the problem, the only thing left to do is to caulk the toilet the the floor. June 2017 Did you know that caulking your toilet to the floor is actually a highly debated topic among DIYers? A large spill across the kitchen floor could seep underneath your vinyl tiles, and daily wear and tear also wreak havoc on tile glue. Have the necessary tools for this DIY project lined up before you startâyouâll save time and frustration. April 2016 You can apply the adhesive to the back of the baseboard. You’ll now need a section of PVC pipe that’ll extend at the very minimum of 4 inches above the weir located in the toilet’s trap and into the tee. If you’re installing a new floor, pedestal sink, and toilet, you should install the laminate flooring first so it’s under the sink and toilet. If you don’t caulk a toilet to the floor, you could find yourself smelling leftover residue from smelly mop water, tub water, or even worse, the remnants of your son’s potty training. First rock back and forth and it breaks the seal. Then the challenge would be to carefully turn the pan over and land it on top of the mortar bed without loosing the mortar inside the pan, once this was achieved you would then level the pan off and just carefully dress the excess mortar away and clean the floor etc with a damp sponge. January 2017 Our latest shed is also a pavilionâand you can build it, too! August 2014 April 2017 I use Stixall the clear one ! We would place the toilet pan on the floor and mark out the foot print with a pencil and the remove it again, the next step would be to cut a hole in the floor under the pan for a key (this would create a lock between the pan and the floor). No matter if your on the 1st floor or the 100th floor, ALL concrete has moisture vapor emissions. Sealant Glue underneath toilet wipe the sealant of straight away ! Avoid last-minute shopping trips by having all your materials ready ahead of time. August 2019 I can remember when I started my apprenticeship as a plumber every toilet pan was secured to the floor with a sand and cement mix (mortar). What monsters are you???? How to secure a toilet pan down to the floor, http://www.houzz.com.au/pro/mayfairplum/mayfair-plumbing-and-gasfitting. We are no longer supporting IE (Internet Explorer) as we strive to provide site experiences for browsers that support new web standards and security practices. What can we do to plug these holes? He replied that it would be very easy to move ... isnt that contradicting? In this blog they will bring you plumbing and gas tips gathered from around the globe over 20 plus years of experiences in the many different fields of plumbing. Both floating and gluing the substrate MUST MEET strict flatness specifications!!!!!!! The key is getting a good caulk seal between the toilet and the floor, which prevents rocking and protects against leaks. October 2014 But before you try that, make sure the bolts at the base of the toilet are snug. Press a tissue around the base of the toilet to check for moisture. Step 11. Shut off the water to the toilet, disconnect the supply hose from the toilet tanks and unbolt the toilet from the floor with a wrench. I bought a new toilet to install myself. This is so the wax ring seals properly to the flange and the hub on the toilet. October 2016 Clean the floor surface thoroughly so that glue will stick. Just follow this tip from master plumber Les Zell. The bolts should be sticking up so you can lower the toilet onto them. he says this is normal procedure, that it is very strong glue and I dont need to be worried. ft. After cleaning, you can wipe the area with rubbing alcohol to disinfect it. I asked him what would happen if I wanted to change the toilet. If it isn't, then you will have to cut away the old flange. April 2015 Create your own unique website with customizable templates. May 2015 Aaron Stewart owns and works in the business of Mayfair Plumbing & Gas Fitting from there offices now based in Adelaide, South Australia. This is not a solid install and can easily lead to a toilet that moves when you sit down over a short time. The floor is somewhat uneven; some of the glue and backing remained after we removed the linoleum. Toilets should be caulked to the floor to prevent side-to-side movement that can break the wax seal (and to prevent splashes or overflows from puddling under the toilet and rotting the floor). March 2017 Follow the manufacturer’s instructions and don’t over-tighten the fixings. Learn how to do it and use it where you can. Piss in the actual bowl of the toilet and not all over the sides of the toilet. 1/8" in a 6' radius. When installing a new floor over cement, wood studs take on the role of floor joists. 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A plumber siliconed our toilet to the floor but now the screw holes have been left open and urine etc can go down the hole and gather under the toilet. Bang it with your hammer until the sleeve fully fits into the stub-out, with the flange against the slab. Do you think it's better to silicone to leveling compound or vinyl, or after reading this thread, use cement on the compound. September 2014 Toilets should be caulked to the floor to prevent side-to-side movement that can break the wax seal (and to prevent splashes or overflows from puddling under the toilet and rotting the floor). The staff you get of later with a solvent, ask the company makes this Product ! There are no floor brackets and company said it's a new design and all I need to do is use silicone. Caulk prevents smell. Young plumber did agree it's a far superior job. Do not use Silicon Silicon sealant is often recommended for this task but it does not last very long and tends to allow too much movement, it eventually fails altogether, this includes both the high modulus (HM) and low modulus (LM) types of silicon. Aaron and his team of licensed plumbers and design consultants are passionate about there work. How I perform this is to put the toilet onto the floor in its desired location, place some small packers or wedges under the toilet to raise it by approx 2 to 3 millimeters and until a level toilet pan is achieved (this providing the floor slope is not to drastic, I don't like to have a larger gap than 5 or 6 millimeters at the front of the pan when using silicone), then go around the whole base of the toilet … Which method you choose, mainly depends upon your subfloor. Since it is a floating floor, it is meant to support itself via locking systems and have no connection to the subfloor. Install the wax ring and lower the toilet onto the flange. Make sure you use a glue that is heavy duty and ideally dries out quickly, so you don’t have to apply pressure onto the baseboard trims for a long time. There are three major reasons why many professionals are against caulking the base of a toilet. November 2016 It does make the floor uneven. This will solve the problem! Then use paper towels to clean up any caulk that oozed out. A master plumber shares his secrets for setting toilets on tile floors. This is known as a floating floor. At this point you can glue a new fitting in. Now wax the bottom of the toilet, even a bit up the inside and outside of the part that will be in contact with the floor. Setting a pan with silicon is crap (pun intended).